Wolves Are Killers
May 4th, 2007
Some smartass sent us the following email:
Mike - I agree with you 100%. Wolves are wonderful animals and good neighbors. We need to find a way to co-exist with them. Thanks for the information!
No SA, wolves are not wonderful animals or good neighbors. Wolves are blood-thirsty predators that attack and kill pets, livestock, children, and adults. Blood-thirsty predators do NOT make good neighbors, and we do NOT “need” to find a way to co-exist with them.
Not in my neighborhood, anyway. Around here we shoot blood-thirsty predators before they kill our horses, cattle, sheep, or children.
Please do not send me BS, SA. Everybody knows that wolves are blood-thirsty predators. This is a fact, not merely a consensus of opinion. Wolves, lions, tigers, etc. have been hunting, killing, and eating hominids since hominids first appeared on the planet.
Avoidance of wolves is a built-in human trait; it’s instinctive, bred to the bone. Any human in the distant past who thought wolves were cute and cuddly, non-dangerous, and “good neighbors” more than likely earned the Darwin Award and was eliminated from the gene pool.
Any human today that cavorts with wolves will also be hunted, killed, and eaten by their “good neighbors” too.
Wolves serve no ecological purpose. For one, there are no such things as “ecological purposes.” The “ecology” does not have purposes. The environment is not a sentient being with intentions. Mother Nature is a mythological (non-real) “personage” who does not exist except in fairy tales.
Wolves do not “balance” ecosystems. There is no balance in nature. Wolves do not make ecosystems “intact”; there is no “intactness” in nature, either. Wolves do not “control” prey populations. In every case where wolves have been “reintroduced” in the USA, local prey populations of deer, elk, moose, etc. have plummeted. All that starry-eyed, mystical pseudo-ecology is pure bunkum.
Wolves in the USA are not “historically correct.” There have been very few wolves around here for the past 10,000 years because the human beings that lived here hunted wolves and killed wolves whenever they needed to. Extermination, not co-existence, is and has been the real need for millennia.
The so-called “wildernesses” where functionaries of the Federal Gummit have been dumping wolves are not wildernesses and have not been wildernesses for 10,000 years plus. Clovis, NM and Folsom, NM are famous for their antiquity of human residence, possessing human artifacts dated as far back as 13,500 years ago.
How old is that? The pyramids in Egypt were built 4,000 years ago. To get to 12,000 years B.P. one must go back to the pyramids, then back an equal amount of time, then back that much again. People are not new to North America. The antiquity of humanity here boggles the mind.
The humans in ancient residence had homes, towns, farms, and ample weaponry to control and exterminate wolves whenever they wished, which was whenever wolves showed up. Humans have been the key predators in North American ecosystems since way back. We are and have been the best hunters and capable of hunting and killing any predator (or prey) that we wished to (including each other). Nobody with any sense tolerated wolves in their yard, and that sensibility is and has been species-wide in Homo sapiens since Adam and Eve.
So-called “reintroduction” of wolves is a new introduction of essentially exotic creatures that do very real harm to ecosystems, social systems, and to your fellow humans, SA. That’s a no-go, SA. You may not be a Christian, but inflicting harm on your neighbors is universally condemned as unethical and immoral behavior by every major religion and ethical belief system (with very few exceptions, such as Nazism, Fascism, Communism, Slavery, and Totalitarian Thuggery). You don’t want to act like a human-hating thug, do you SA?
The twisted thinking of people who would inflict blood-thirsty predators on their neighbors deserves more examination. What makes the anti-human nutballs tick? What is it in their “thinking” that leads otherwise normal people to dump wolves, burn forests, and drive their fellow human beings into poverty, death, and/or refugee-hood? How did SA and his/her cohorts get so screwed up in their heads and hearts?
We explore those questions further next post.
May 4th, 2007 at 5:30 pm
Wow! I’ve never seen so much misinformation packed into 10 or so paragraphs. Where to start?
How about here: “Wolves are not wonderful animals or good neighbors. Wolves are blood-thirsty predators that attack and kill pets, livestock, children, and adults.”
And where is the evidence that wolves have killed children or adults? Of course, there is none. There is not a recorded case of a wolf killing an adult (or child).
Give me a break!! Shame on you, Mike! Your credibility and high journalistic standards have suffered a serious blow!
May 4th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
Oh, no! My credibility has been questioned! By whom? Why, it’s SmartAss! A phony name from a phony dude who has not one scintilla of credibility and can’t even provide a real name!
Chumley, if that is your real name, listen up. I know what I’m talking about. You are the phony here.
Kenton Carnegie, 22, was killed and partially consumed by wolves Nov. 8, 2005 at Points North Landing in northern Saskatchewan. A link to the inquest is (here).
Last June a wolf attacked (but did not kill) six people, including children, at Lake Superior Provincial Park near Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario. Fortunately the wolf did not have rabies:
During the mid-1980’s a pack of wolves in Ashta India killed at least 17 children. See A. J. Singh. 2000. The man-eating wolves of Ashta. Srishti Publishers and Distributors. New Delhi, India.
Wolf attacks have occurred recently in Finland and Russia. Linguist Will Graves is preparing a book on Russian wolves referencing many documented wolf-on-human killings. That book is being edited by Dr. Valerius Geist, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Science, the University of Calgary, and world-renowned expert on wild ungulates. Dr. Geist’s next door neighbor was recently attacked (though not killed) by wolves. Dr. Geist’s account and discussion is (here).
Be all that as it may, history teaches humanity that only a stone-cold fool would dare a wolf pack at night. Even USFWS “biologists” get bit, and they are like little Dr. Dolittle’s, right? They commune with the wolves and are the two-legged friends of wolves, unless the wolves are hungry, which is most of the time for wolves.
The wolves released in Catron County, NM, were 3-strike killers of livestock. Are you so completely dense, SA, as to believe those wolves would not attack a child or adult should the opportunity arise? Unarmed, do you think a big, strong boy like you could fend off a wolf?
Those who would dump blood-thirsty predators into the backyards of their fellow humans are evil, SA. That’s a purely evil thing to do. And it is not surprising (to me) that purveyors of pure evil, like you, SA, would wish to hide under a rock of anonymity.
May 5th, 2007 at 9:49 am
It seems that when RESIDENTS of land where predators live are allowed to shoot “problem” predators, both the humans and the predators come to a sort of “agreement”. Basically the same for any predator, animal or human–you live your life and I’ll live mine, but cross this line and kapow.
It’s riculous to release wolves that are used to humans. I’ll bet the ranchers can’t shoot back without a lawsuit. I do know thre’s a lot of SSS going on…
I guess part of the problem is they don’t require kids to read “To Build a Fire” by Jack London anymore.
We live with cougars, we take precautions, but we are prepared to defend ourselves as well. (Isn’t that the way nature works?)
May 5th, 2007 at 10:17 am
Humans have not only been attacked but have been killed by wolves. The new romantic religion surrounding the “peaceful” wolf is unreal.
Here is a case history of Wolf Human encounters in Alaska and Canada.
http://www.wc.adfg.state.ak.us/pubs/techpubs/research_pdfs/techb13_full.pdf
The corner confirmed that Kenton Carnegie died of large canine bites. His death has been greatly distorted and it is completely tragic to treat his parents this way. Please read:
http://wolfcrossing.org/blog/2007/02/01/dad-of-wolf-attack-victim-speaks-out-about-ng-documentary/
There is more to the story, but National Geographic and others want to keep the religion going so they can keep you watching and put money in their pockets.
If you think wolves are so wonderful, RRG, then you should come down to the Southwest and hang with our habitual wolves here. They will come into your camp site, and not be as friendly as you might imagine.
Mike is right. These animals are not good neighbors nor are they good for the environment. In a Range Magazine article entitled Groundhog Day at the Wolf Wars (here) Dr. B. DeGear wrote about Dr. L. David Mech, senior research scientist for the USGS BRD, who documented the extirpation of deer by wolves:
So RRG I hope you will educate yourself and come down and see what is going on here on the ground with the people forced to live with these wolves. You will see a side the eco-extremists do not want you to see. Then you can see the TRUTH about wolves and what they are doing to your national forests in your name with your tax dollars.
May 5th, 2007 at 10:23 am
The Law of the Jungle has been superceded by the Law of the Land. We live in a society now, and we have a legal system.
Law-abiding citizens should not be forced to live under the boot heels of criminals, whether those criminals are government employees or civilians.
Illegal dumping of killer predators is the equivalent (or worse) of shooting off guns in school yards. It is more than anti-social behavior; it is illegal endangerment and it merits the punishment due to all felons.
If you do the crime, then you must do the time.
May 5th, 2007 at 11:52 am
I might add, for all you legal eagles, that if those illegally released wolves attack livestock or God forbid a human being, then the criminal charges against USFWS personnel will skyrocket.
It is in everybody’s best interests to “remove” the 3-strike wolves immediately before the inevitable and expected (intended) consequences result.
May 5th, 2007 at 3:02 pm
Mike, you sound knowledgable on all this legal stuff.
Rural folks here are coming around but it was completely out of their social context for people to actually behave the way these people do. Acting all friendly one minute and then assaulting and endangering the people, their families, property and livelihoods the next, as these government agencies have been. Kinda hard to see at first with no previous social context to measure it against. Most local residents would just like everyone to feel at home and free to help themselves at the cookie jar and have bent over backwards to comply with whatever the agencies required and suggested.
There seem to be several/many illegalities happening simultaneously here. Threats of serious repercussions by wolf management if the county tries to lawfully protect their citizens from illegal endangerment has got to be extortion. Many of these so called recoveries and such overstep jurisdiction by making their executive “Laws” and “Rules” at complete odds with the real basic fundamental rights to protection of property etc.that are the founding bedrock of our legal system thus fraudulently claiming authority where there is none. This crime is deep and many faceted.
May 5th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
Mary,
I favor the notion of people getting a taste of their own medicine. If legal snarls are the alleged reason wolves have to be dumped in private backyards, then legal snarls should be visited upon the perps who do the dumping.
Federal employees in NM are going to find out, if they don’t know it already, that their agencies will drop them like hot rocks if they break the law (or get caught at it).
It only takes one or two made examples to sear the message into the heads of the others. This isn’t Iraq. There are no safe havens in the urban slums for terrorists here, especially eco-terrorists in the Federal employ.
Just filing a batch of formal complaints with the Fed Atty, and asking your Congresspersons to do the same, will scare the crap out of every USFWS employee, large or small, in the Nation.
And 3-strike wolf dumping will cease forever.
May 13th, 2007 at 12:40 am
[…] Besides kissing with wolves (How to get to First Base with a Wolf) there are actually people that believe wolves are good neighbors as shown in a recent post on SOSForests.com. […]
(Follow this track back to WolvesGoneWild for an excellent review of documented wolf-on-human attacks — Mike)